Linda Yiannakis (interviewte 1997 Cunningham) hat geschrieben:
(...)
How significant is the structure of the
Go Kyo No Waza in classical Judo?
That’s no small thing. The Go Kyo is the centerpiece of the syllabus. Some people say, “If the Go Kyo is the
centerpiece of the syllabus, then that must mean that Judo’s a throwing art in terms of instruction”. But the reason
it’s the centerpiece of the syllabus is that throwing is the most complex action. It’s not a trivial thing to get all
your arms and legs moving together in the right direction and launch somebody into the air with a lot of force. We all
know it takes a lot of practice to do that. But the way that the Go Kyo is structured also leads you through the
full range of action that one can make. Therefore it can be a training ground for human beings, for the body, for
mind/body connections. It’s a way of developing all those skills and the coordination and so on that have to
happen in combat, including the simpler things, like striking and kicking. So it’s central because it’s the best place to
learn how to manage your body. It’s very systematic, organized, and leads you through the full range in an
organized fashion. That’s the short answer.
Why is it important that you learn the
throws in the order they are presented in the Go Kyo?
It does have an order. There is a very clear cut structure to the Go Kyo. It’s go kyo five teachings, five lessons, and it’s related to the five elements of
Chinese and Japanese philosophy, also called gokyo.
The old Chinese thought there were five elements: earth, fire, water, metal, and wood. The Japanese have a slightly reshaped version of that,
but it’s essentially the same concept. The ancient Chinese also knew of five planets that were visible in the night sky, and thought that this had some
aspect of control in their lives. Five itself is a very important number. So Kano was drawing back to that ancient notion. And also, in old Chinese arts
that feed into jujutsu lineages, they had Chinese fighting arts that were actually constructed on the principle of five. And some of the old ryu, like Daito
Ryu, and Takeuchi Ryu, and others, were based on five principles. And of course that’s why Kano would find that there are five representative things that
would explain all the forces of nature, in his Itsutsu No Kata. So always five.
The Go Kyo is five teachings or lessons. Then there are eight techniques in each kyo. There are eight techniques because
in the Chinese system there are eight changes in Chinese it’s Bagua, in Japanese it’s Hakke. The eight changes are associated with points on the
compass and they’re also associated with basic movements of the body. They’re also associated with eight relationships among earth, man and
heaven. In the I Ching, the old Chinese book, it shows the Bagua in pairs, stacked on top of each other, in hexagrams that is what they’re usually
called. Because they are eight times eight, there are 64 possible changes that can occur, and these represent all the possible relationships between people.
That would include all possible interaction between man and man, man and god, man and earth. So five becomes a subset of that, which is
limited only by some special parameters which are a little hard to explain in the short run. But all that makes the study of the Go Kyo the study of social
interaction and nature. This goes back to whole notion that what we learn on the battlefield is applicable to all aspects of life. So this is part of the bridge that
Kano uses to get from individual techniques of the fighting arts to lessons about life, character building and so on. The eight techniques in each kyo are
each based on a fundamental bodily movement. So the practice of eight is a comprehensive analysis of body movement through its entire range. The kyos are in
order of difficulty ranging from the simplest to the most complex. In the first kyo, for example, all the throws involve action through a single arc.
In the second kyo, each technique moves through two arcs (or planes of action), and so on.
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Wenn ich "Technik" schreibe, weiß ich das 
Eben diese Erklärungen fehlen, genauso wie eine Demonstration der Schablonen.Interessant ist ja eher der Begriff Gokyo-no-Kaisetsu, also "Erklären der fünf Gruppen", wo ich stark
_vermute_ , daß sich "fünf Gruppen" eher auf "Ashi/Koshi/Te/Ma-Sutemi/Yoko-Sutemi" bezieht und nicht
auf die Gruppen, in denen die Würfe angeordnet wurden und daß neben der Anordnung der Würfe im
bekannte 5x8System da noch Erklärungen zu den Würfen mit dazu gehört haben ...
Mit freundlichem Gruß
Fritz
Nicht wirklich, außer vielleicht:Weißt Du schon, was Du der Allgemeinheit jetzt eigentlich mitteilen wolltest?
Ich denke, hier vernachlässigst Du alle Einsteiger nach 1992 (in Deutschland).Der Fakt, daß man die Gokyo als sinnvolles Mittel / Rahmen der Wurftechniken verwenden kann, ist
ja bereits ausgiebig diskutiert worden und eigentlich allen bis auf denjenigen, welche diesbzgl. einem
gegenteiligen Standpunkt huldigen, doch seit langem bekannt.
Nö!Fritz hat geschrieben: ich stark
_vermute_ , daß sich "fünf Gruppen" eher auf "Ashi/Koshi/Te/Ma-Sutemi/Yoko-Sutemi" bezieht und nicht
auf die Gruppen, in denen die Würfe angeordnet wurden
Eben und dummerweise haben "sie" im Randori dann aber rausbekommen, daß es noch ein paar lernenswerte Würfe je Gruppe mehr gibt, alsHBt. hat geschrieben:Alleine um kenntlich zumachen das es fünf Gruppen gibt, dazu reicht die Nage no kata von 1906:
T__K__A__M__Y
3__3__3__3__3
EDIT:
Stellenwertigkeiten,
also Verteilungen und Harmonien
innerhalb der Spalte (n Kyo) und Mengen (2 mal 4),
kann jeder Danträger / ÜL/ TR /Lehrer selbst herausfinden,
das Warum der Verteilung und Aufteilung ebenfalls ...
kennt er alle Techniken und hat verschiedenste Ausführungen im Kopf, erschließen sich auch REIHEN und damit auch das WIE der Vorbereitungen.
Eine Tabelle aufstellen und den Wald sehen / mit seiner Pflanzung und Struktur, ist der einzige Weg.
Nö, eine Zusammenstellung der Nagewaza gab es schon vor der 1906er Nage no kata - wie Du weißt.Fritz hat geschrieben: Eben und dummerweise haben "sie" im Randori dann aber rausbekommen, daß es noch ein paar lernenswerte Würfe je Gruppe mehr gibt, als
in Nage-No-Kata beispielhaft aufgeführt ...
