Kōdōkan bōjutsu, The missing link?

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Lin Chung
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Kōdōkan bōjutsu, The missing link?

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Diese Seiten sollte man gelesen haben. Sie handeln über Kano, jūjutsu, bōjutsu, atemi-jutsu und kenjutsu.

http://judoforum.com/index.php?showtopic=41260

Vor allem folgende Texte sind interessant:

http://judoforum.com/index.php?showtopi ... t&p=519779
That Kano valued self-defense skills, both unarmed and armed, makes sense to me. A skill that can be called on in an emergency has obvious practical value. However, it is markedly different than how Judo is presented today as only an Olympic sport. I've the feeling that those who trained pre-WW2 with Kano had a much broader syllabus and skill set than those who trained post Kano, after WW2.

It may be difficult to say, whether if still under his original vision Kodokan Judo would be more popular today, but it certainly would have the higher status it used to have.
http://judoforum.com/index.php?showtopi ... ntry523848
Don't know if this is of any use to you but I saw a video of a demonstration by Kawaishi in 1950 in France. He was using a Bo and a JO against a sword during this demo. It was a bit disjointed in the editing but was an interesting look at the past. Kawaishi did teach the older Kodokan ways which were much closer to Kano's method according to a departed old friend who trained with him before and after ww2. Don't know if this leads you anywhere but thought it was worth mentioning.
http://judoforum.com/index.php?showtopi ... t&p=526903
He said that their tradition has it that Kano shihan did in fact study 'Yagyu ryu' (known today as Yagyu Shingan ryu) bōjutsu (rokushaku bō, to be clear) under his several-generations-ago predecessor Oshima.
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http://www.arakido.org/
Unlike modern schools of budo, Yagyu Shingan-ryu is an art of war. It was developed for use on the battlefield. Some of the fathers of modern budo, such as Ueshiba Morihei, the founder of Aikido, and Kano Jigoro, the founder of Judo, were both students of Yagyu Shingan-ryu Taijutsu.
weiter:
http://judoforum.com/index.php?showtopi ... t&p=529490
It is no surprise to me about Kanô's study of Yagyû-ryû in the sense that I have suspected for a long time that the Kôdôkan has intentionally removed those parts of Kanô's achievements that have not led to the highest mastership, and even more so with what he studied and failed in. By writing Kanô's bio the way it is, it is made to look that he studied only two koryû, and great as he was, he of course obtained the highest rank, menkyo kaiden in both. You should perhaps ask him if according to their tradition ... whether Kanô was any good in the ryû or what rank he achieved if any.. I would be interested in hearing his response.

A realistic bio of Kanô would bring the man much more down to earth and make him look normal complete with failures, and with things he too on ut never finished just like all of us have some of that stuff
http://judoforum.com/index.php?showtopi ... t&p=529837
I read someplace that Kano shihan had, or claimed, a 3dan in jōjutsu but have lost track of it.
dazu:
http://ejmas.com/jnc/jncart_taylor_0900.htm
Shimizu Takaji was born in 1896 and in 1913, at the age of 17, began training in jo with Shiraishi Hanjiro. In 1918, at age 23, he received his mokuroku (scrolls of transmission) and two years after that his menkyo certificate. In 1927, through an introduction provided by the well-known swordsmanship instructor Nakayama Hakudo, Shimizu demonstrated jo to the Tokyo police. In 1930 he moved to Tokyo and began teaching at the Mumon Dojo (formerly the Teikan boxing gym). In 1931 he began teaching jo at Kano Jigoro's Kodokan judo dojo as well as to the Sea Scouts (Admiral Takeshita Isamu, an avid swordsman and aikibudo practitioner, was head of the Sea Scouts) and to the Tokyo Metropolitan Police. In 1933 a special police unit was formed which included the jo in its equipment, and it was here that Shimizu began his long association with the top kendo instructors in Tokyo.
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Re: Kōdōkan bōjutsu, The missing link?

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Ich meine Reaktivator hatte schon einmal auf den Faden aufmerksam gemacht. Ich hatte mich übrigens mit "NBK" in Verbindung gesetzt und um Erlaubnis gebeten, seine Übersetzung des Kano-Textes ins deutsche zu Übersetzen und hier zu posten. Er hat mir dies gestattet, aber mir noch einmal eine etwas überarbeitete Übersetzung geschickt, da er mit seiner ursprünglichen Übersetzung nicht 100% zufrieden war. Anschließend hat er aber selbst noch eine Korrektur gepostet, die wieder von dem Text abgewichen ist, den er mir geschickt hatte. Ich hab die Übersetzung darauf dann auf Eis gelegt....

Ich werde es aber nochmal angehen.
I founded a new system for physical culture and mental training as well as for winning contests. I called this "Kodokan Judo",(J. Kano 1898)
Techniques are only the words of the language judo (Cichorei Kano, 24.12.2008)
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Re: Kōdōkan bōjutsu, The missing link?

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Der ursprüngliche Faden mit dem Verweis auf das englischsprachige judoforum.com
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