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Sam(p)son

Beitrag von HBt. » 19.07.2018, 11:01

"Sampson Sampson 8th Dan - Chief Instructor Sampson Sampson" [www(Pkt)sobelljudoclub.com/sobell-judo-club/instructors]


Ein neuer Stern am Firmament,
ein Held, ein echter Selfmademan, ein Meister (aus dem Arbeitermilieu) ... seines eigenen Verbandes.

Warum mag ich sein "Traditionelles Judo" "for all ..." nur nicht?
Warum nur?
Was für ein Schrott!

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Re: Sam(p)son

Beitrag von Cichorei Kano » 19.07.2018, 17:27

In all fairness, several videos recorded during shiai ("grading" in the UK) show some decent judo by an all-round judoka skilled in both tachi- and newaza.

A number of judoka at some point in their life leave their national federation. This is oftentimes due to friction or a personal issue with a specific federation official. These are often politicized matters that likely could have been satisfactorily solved if there were an independent body that would look into this mattes and that would respect the rights of the parties involved. Whilst the TAS/CAS does exist for such matters, the high costs involved (a down payment of X Swiss francs) make this procedure often prohibitive for common people who practice judo recreationally or on amateur basis.

Another reason why people may leave their national judo federation or standard IJF judo may be because of increasing displeasure with the direction that judo has been taking, especially under the Vizer regime, where much of the original Japanese pedagogical context has been replaced by a Westernized, heavily Eastern-European-dominated sportification.

IJF-member federations are often rather intolerant towards non-IJF member federations, likely because of a historic striving towards dominance, but also because IJF and continental union rules stipulate that their national member federations may not participate and allow participation of non-member judo federations, although the rules also provide the option for national federations to seek exceptions to that rule.

Consequence are sometimes rather bizarre behaviors. personal attacks, and demonization. I personally know of several cases of individuals who were multiple national champions, members of the national team who represented their home country at European and World Championships, who have been coaches of the national team, and who obtained high ranks (6th, 7th dan) within their national federation, but from the moment they join a non-IJF-member federation they are supposedly "poor judoka who are not worthy of their rank, who really do not know any judo", etc. This s a quite remarkable but frequently witnessed tour of events in the judo world, that obviously ignores the rational and what was fundamentally at issue in their decision to leave their IJF member federation.

Partly at the background of topic of this thread, is the contentious relationship between the IJF (Vizer) and the previous IJF-Continental union for the America's, the PanAmerican Judo Union (PJU). The PJU was not in support of Vizer to succeed the previous IJF president Y-S. Park who got involved in a South-Korea bribery scandal. There were other issues between the PJU and the IJF/Vizer. Under impulse of the IJF another continental union was created, the PanAmerican Judo Confederation (PJC). As can be expected, the PJU did not appreciate that rather than the IJF consider their objections and work things out, the IJF bypassed them by creating a new continental union and revoking the recognition of the PJU and giving it to the PJC.

The issues escalated with the PJU going to court, even winning some court cases, but the IJF refusing to bend. It was one of the ugliest cases of judo politics and the right of the strongest, irrespective of who was right and who was wrong.

The PJU then started dreaming of creating a new world-wide federation for judo which could compete with and challenge the IJF. This new federation became the World Judo Federation, which was quite ambitious. However, the WJF made two major mistakes. One mistake was identical to the one made by the PJU. Bridging both North and South America, the PJU always stubbornly insisted on keeping Spanish as its official language. It would only now and then publish some really poor Google-Translate-based translation of some of its news or announcements in Spanish. Whilst Spanish just like French in reality has pretty much lost its status of a world language with English being by far the dominant language, their insistence on using Spanish had long alienated major countries such as the USA and Canada, even though countries such as Argentina, Peru, Colombia, Chile, Bolivia, Uruguay, Paraguay, Panama, were happy communicating in their native language. Unfortunately, none of these countries are leading judo countries within Pan-America. Instead, Canada, the US, and Brazil are, and even Brazil is not Spanish-speaking but Portuguese.

The second mistake the WJF made was that they forgot the major strength of the IJF and Vizer: their money. Financially, the WJF could not compete in the least with the amount of money (much of it illegal and being laundered) that circulated within the IJF and that ensured all kinds of interesting perks for its elite, as well as the right to represent judo within the Olympic Games.

During the first 2-3 years of its existence, the new WJF nevertheless offered interesting perspectives and in European attracted large interest from Italy, the UK & Greece. The gentleman mentioned in this thread, being of British-Greek descendence became one of its major advocates i these two countries in which he took a leading role.

New organizations need marketing but also perks to attract new members. Some established and well-known members of the non-IJF judo community saw an opportunity for obtaining higher dan-rank promotions, which they felt had been improperly denied to them when they were still active within their national governing body for judo.

It is logical that any organization that seeks to market itself and grow, tends to draw attention to its expertise, and present it as exceeding that of the competition, as much of their previous support (within the national judo organization) will suddenly have ceased to exist, now that they have left and are "traitors" ...

This is a difficult situation for newer non-IJF federation, and the solutions they choose to attempt solving this problem, are often the start of its downfall.

Suggesting, no matter how innocent, that you have obtained 3rd dan at age 16, will be understood by everyone that you claim to be a better judoka than anyone else, since nobody outside of Japan will have obtained 3rd dan at age 16. The real, and objective assessment is that the reason that nobody has, isn't because they are poorer judoka, but because the federation rules at that time nowhere allowed such young and rapid dan-rank promotion. In fact, many federations in the 1970s had a minimal age of 16 to become blackbelt, and subsequently had strict minimal time-in-grade requirements for future promotions. So, not even if you became an Olympic champion it would have been possible to obtain sandan at 16 years. I this case, the document shown, indicates that there was only 3 and 1 week between obtaining 2nd dan and 3rd dan, so way below minimal time-in-grade in most countries. On top of that, the time required to submit and process all paperwork, the limited number of rank promotion exams organized per year would have made such rapid promotions completely impossible.

Of course, one is subject and considered under the rank promotion rules of one's own organization, not under those of another federation. Nevertheless, if you choose to use such an item as to market yourself and organization, such degree of scrutiny an public discussion is likely to follow.

In all fairness though, this problem does not exist solely for non-IJF member federations. Between 1945-1986 in a period bridging more than 40 years only 3 people were promoted to 10th dan while alive (Mifune, Iizuka, Samura), and between 1965-1987 for more than 20 years there did not exist a single 10th dan-holder alive. Yet, the last 5 years (USA Judo: Uchida, 2013, Imamura, 2018; USJA: Bregman, 2018; IJF: Capelletti, 2018, Brazil: Shinohara, 2017; WMAC: Jacks), at least 6 people were promoted to 10th dan, suggesting that the quality of judo and advanced knowledge today must far exceed that of the past ... It's only a matter of time before anyone who feels of himself like he is special, will claim 10th dan. Just wait and see. In my home town there already is a club with not just one, but two 10th dan-holders ! In any case, the number of people politely refusing such ridiculous promotions because they are too modest and realize they do not remotely possess the level of knowledge or merit to accept judo's top rank, remains remarkably limited.

So, the events of observed and criticized in smaller in smaller, non-IJF federations, by no means are exclusive of these federations. We see the same within IJF member federations. The main difference is that the social community of IJF member federations is much larger, leading to a certain "social control" which regards itself as legitimate. Even though rumors tend to circulate widely there too, the political power and circulating monies within IJF federations is much higher, and people tend to shut their mouth more because many have something practically to gain (promotion, selection, election) from keeping their mouth shut.

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Sam(p)son & die Welt

Beitrag von HBt. » 20.07.2018, 12:07

Cichorei Kano hat geschrieben:
19.07.2018, 17:27
In all fairness, several videos recorded during shiai ("grading" in the UK) show some decent judo by an all-round judoka skilled in both tachi- and newaza.
Das mag so sein(?).
Darüber erlaube ich mir kein Urteil, im "Vereinigten Königreich" werden die Oberen schon wissen wie sie prüfen - und was sie prüfen. Möglicherweise gefällt mir die Vorgehensweise sogar,
aber ich weiß es nicht :eusa_think.

Einige Skills (aus den Videos entnehmbar?) fand ich nicht berauschend.
A number of judoka at some point in their life leave their national federation. This is oftentimes due to friction or a personal issue with a specific federation official.
Das wird wohl immer der ausschlaggebende Punkt /Grund gewesen sein. Streitigkeiten, Missverständnisse und Eitelkeiten, aber auch Machtstreben -> unterschiedliche Auffassungen.
These are often politicized matters that likely could have been satisfactorily solved if there were an independent body that would look into this mattes and that would respect the rights of the parties involved.
Ein Schlichter, ein Moderator, ein Supervisor ... ohne eine außenstehende (neutrale) Person und eine Bereitschaft beider Parteien zur Verständigung ... wird ein Frieden wohl nie möglich sein.
Man muss aufeinander zugehen, leider stehen einem die eigenen Interessen dazu im Weg oder man ist einfach dumm /ein bisschen dämlich. Verletzter Stolz kommt ebenfalls häufig noch dazu.
Whilst the TAS/CAS does exist for such matters, the high costs involved (a down payment of X Swiss francs) make this procedure often prohibitive for common people who practice judo recreationally or on amateur basis.
Das ist zwar ein interessanter Punkt, doch hier geht er bestimmt zu weit: http://www.tas-cas.org/en/index.html !
Another reason why people may leave their national judo federation or standard IJF judo may be because of increasing displeasure with the direction that judo has been taking, especially under the Vizer regime, where much of the original Japanese pedagogical context has been replaced by a Westernized, heavily Eastern-European-dominated sportification.
+1

Wenn Mr. Sampson für sich eine Lösung gefunden hat und andere Judoka /Judosportler für seine Mission begeistern kann, rechtlich und anderweitig gesellschaftlich (menschlich) alles i.O. ist, spricht nichts gegen "eine alternative Organisationsstruktur".

Allerdings wünsche ich mir eine Vergleichbarkeit unter den "Skills /dem Erlernten" und dem "Kodex" ... andernfalls macht das Klassen u. Stufenmodell des Kodokan-Judo keinen Sinn mehr.
IJF-member federations are often rather intolerant towards non-IJF member federations, likely because of a historic striving towards dominance, but also because IJF and continental union rules stipulate that their national member federations may not participate and allow participation of non-member judo federations, although the rules also provide the option for national federations to seek exceptions to that rule.
Hier, hier haben wir das größte Problem bei diesen Angelegenheiten. Es beschränkt sich leider nicht nur auf den Sport, wie wir alle wissen.
Consequence are sometimes rather bizarre behaviors. personal attacks, and demonization. I personally know of several cases of individuals who were multiple national champions, members of the national team who represented their home country at European and World Championships, who have been coaches of the national team, and who obtained high ranks (6th, 7th dan) within their national federation, but from the moment they join a non-IJF-member federation they are supposedly "poor judoka who are not worthy of their rank, who really do not know any judo", etc. This s a quite remarkable but frequently witnessed tour of events in the judo world, that obviously ignores the rational and what was fundamentally at issue in their decision to leave their IJF member federation.
Auf den ersten Blick erscheint uns derlei Kacke irrational - doch leider ist sie es nicht; es handelt sich dabei immer um rationale Entscheidungen, leider auch dann wenn sie menschlich widerwärtig sind. Für angebracht halte ich derlei Sanktionen, bzw. perverse Ausprägungen, nicht - sondern für daneben. Einzelfälle muss man allerdings kritisch hinterfragen. Niemand ist automatisch ein guter /integer Mensch, nur weil er zum Beispiel die olympische Goldmedaille erkämpft hat und dafür mit dem 7. Dan seines Landes belohnt wurde ...


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Partly at the background of topic of this thread, is the contentious relationship between the IJF (Vizer) and the previous IJF-Continental union for the America's, the PanAmerican Judo Union (PJU). The PJU was not in support of Vizer to succeed the previous IJF president Y-S. Park who got involved in a South-Korea bribery scandal. There were other issues between the PJU and the IJF/Vizer. Under impulse of the IJF another continental union was created, the PanAmerican Judo Confederation (PJC). As can be expected, the PJU did not appreciate that rather than the IJF consider their objections and work things out, the IJF bypassed them by creating a new continental union and revoking the recognition of the PJU and giving it to the PJC.

The issues escalated with the PJU going to court, even winning some court cases, but the IJF refusing to bend. It was one of the ugliest cases of judo politics and the right of the strongest, irrespective of who was right and who was wrong.
Auch derlei ist leider nicht mehr ungewöhnlich, aber erschreckend -> die Tendenz (mittlerweile an der Tagesordnung)!
The PJU then started dreaming of creating a new world-wide federation for judo which could compete with and challenge the IJF.
Ach du Scheiße :o.
This new federation became the World Judo Federation, which was quite ambitious. However, the WJF made two major mistakes.
Eben; diese kleinen Fehler begehen ALLE, immer wieder - zeigt dieses nicht schon die Geschichte der Menschheit & ihrer Zivilisationen, Reiche ... Handelsorganisationen :eusa_think.
One mistake was identical to the one made by the PJU. Bridging both North and South America, the PJU always stubbornly insisted on keeping Spanish as its official language. It would only now and then publish some really poor Google-Translate-based translation of some of its news or announcements in Spanish. Whilst Spanish just like French in reality has pretty much lost its status of a world language with English being by far the dominant language,

Mein Gott, meine Göttin (genderkonform!): heutzutage sollte man derlei selbstverliebte Borniertheit aber nicht mehr an den Tag legen -> darüber kann man ja schon wieder lachen :rofl.
their insistence on using Spanish had long alienated major countries such as the USA and Canada, even though countries such as Argentina, Peru, Colombia, Chile, Bolivia, Uruguay, Paraguay, Panama, were happy communicating in their native language. Unfortunately, none of these countries are leading judo countries within Pan-America. Instead, Canada, the US, and Brazil are, and even Brazil is not Spanish-speaking but Portuguese.
Richtig! Das ist der Punkt. Irgendwie erinnert mich das gesamte Szenarion an eine noch junge Vergangenheit (19. und 20. Jahrhundert) und ihre Fortschreibung.
The second mistake the WJF made was that they forgot the major strength of the IJF and Vizer: their money. Financially, the WJF could not compete in the least with the amount of money (much of it illegal and being laundered) that circulated within the IJF and that ensured all kinds of interesting perks for its elite, as well as the right to represent judo within the Olympic Games.
UPS, bis heute habe ich noch nicht darüber nachgedacht ;-) welche großartige Waschmaschine doch so eine große Organisation sein kann /und eigentlich auch ist :evil:.
During the first 2-3 years of its existence, the new WJF nevertheless offered interesting perspectives and in European attracted large interest from Italy, the UK & Greece. The gentleman mentioned in this thread, being of British-Greek descendence became one of its major advocates i these two countries in which he took a leading role.

Über den Menschen Sampson oder die Person verbietet sich eine Diskussion, ich kenne Mr. Sampson nicht. Doch wir könn(t)en über sein Videoportal (mit dem Gezeiten) diskutieren?!
New organizations need marketing but also perks to attract new members.
Im deutschen Sprachraum nennen wir so etwas (auch schon einmal gerne) 'Bauernfängerei', ganz böse Zungen sprechen sogar von 'Beschiss'.
;-)
Ok, seien wir fair - selbstverständlich benötigt man Mitglieder, ganz viele sogar ... ein wenig kommt es darauf an wen man adressiert, oder?

Werbung ist ok, als Information.
Some established and well-known members of the non-IJF judo community saw an opportunity for obtaining higher dan-rank promotions, which they felt had been improperly denied to them when they were still active within their national governing body for judo.
Ok,
hierbei geht mir einer ab /die Hutschnur hoch.

Selbstverliebtheit ohne ein absehbares Ende gr grg gr grg gr - eine Therapie wäre (im Einzelfall) angebrachter. Warum ist das ein Problem: weil Scharlatane den seriösen Vertretern unter
der Zunft' im allgemeinen nicht gut tun -> verzerrte Außenwahrnehmung. Es gibt zu viele negative Beispiel die im kollektiven Gedächtnis bleiben, über Generation hinweg.
It is logical that any organization that seeks to market itself and grow, tends to draw attention to its expertise, and present it as exceeding that of the competition, as much of their previous support (within the national judo organization) will suddenly have ceased to exist, now that they have left and are "traitors" ...

This is a difficult situation for newer non-IJF federation, and the solutions they choose to attempt solving this problem, are often the start of its downfall.
Ja, so ist es.
"Es regelt sich von selbst": sagt man bei uns. Damit verbunden bleibt allerdings immer ein bestimmter Rest von Traurigkeit.
Suggesting, no matter how innocent, that you have obtained 3rd dan at age 16, will be understood by everyone that you claim to be a better judoka than anyone else, since nobody outside of Japan will have obtained 3rd dan at age 16.
Korrekt!

Das in die Kamera gehaltene Heft ist Bullshit. Ein Blick auf die Einträge, Datum, zeitliche Differenzen, Orte ... und der gegenwärtige technische Stand (siehe Videos) lassen ein scheinbar eindeutiges Urteil zu -> nämlich Skepsis, Skepsis bzgl. der Tiefe ... (Tiefenschärfe).

The real, and objective assessment is that the reason that nobody has, isn't because they are poorer judoka, but because the federation rules at that time nowhere allowed such young and rapid dan-rank promotion.
Ich stimme Dir zu.
QM?
Sprechen wir nicht alle gerne von einem Erziehungssystem??? Wenn ein 14jähriger Underdog mit dem Judosport beginnt und ein Genie sein sollte, ergo nach 1+1/2 bis 2Jahren die dritte Stufe genommen hat, sollte man dieses Genie heute eindeutig erkennen /ich erkenne kein Judogenie in Mr. Sampson. Er ist nicht vergleichbar mit Isao Okano san (oder mit Tokio Hirano oder mit Kyuzo Mifune). Null.
In fact, many federations in the 1970s had a minimal age of 16 to become blackbelt, and subsequently had strict minimal time-in-grade requirements for future promotions. So, not even if you became an Olympic champion it would have been possible to obtain sandan at 16 years.
Und dieser Passus ist unbestritten. Korrekt.

+1
In this case, the document shown, indicates that there was only 3 and 1 week between obtaining 2nd dan and 3rd dan, so way below minimal time-in-grade in most countries. On top of that, the time required to submit and process all paperwork, the limited number of rank promotion exams organized per year would have made such rapid promotions completely impossible.
Ich hatte schon befürchtet das dieses nur mir aufgefallen ist /wäre. Nun bin ich erleichtert das ich nicht alleine auf dieser Welt bin. Zuviele Menschen können nicht mehr richtig lesen ... (in Deutschland degeneriert zZt. die allgemeine Sprachfähigkeit /Artikulation inbegriffen. Nur ganz nebenbei bemerkt). Bald wird jede Art der zivilisierten Kommunikaton unmöglich sein.
Of course, one is subject and considered under the rank promotion rules of one's own organization, not under those of another federation. Nevertheless, if you choose to use such an item as to market yourself and organization, such degree of scrutiny an public discussion is likely to follow.

Klar könnte man Einträge überprüfen /eine Plausibilitätsprüfung (reicht hier meistens schon aus) durchführen. Aber es ist heute auch völlig nebensächlich, ein gesunder, vitaler, beweglicher, ... 58jähriger Vorturner der WJF, JAUK und selbsternannter Träger des 8. Dan prilliert durch ein außergewöhnliches Können auf der Matte.


In all fairness though, this problem does not exist solely for non-IJF member federations. Between 1945-1986 in a period bridging more than 40 years only 3 people were promoted to 10th dan while alive (Mifune, Iizuka, Samura), and between 1965-1987 for more than 20 years there did not exist a single 10th dan-holder alive. Yet, the last 5 years (USA Judo: Uchida, 2013, Imamura, 2018; USJA: Bregman, 2018; IJF: Capelletti, 2018, Brazil: Shinohara, 2017; WMAC: Jacks), at least 6 people were promoted to 10th dan, suggesting that the quality of judo and advanced knowledge today must far exceed that of the past ... It's only a matter of time before anyone who feels of himself like he is special, will claim 10th dan. Just wait and see.
(Man hört nur ein "Ausatmen" von mir) - die traurige Wahrheit. Doch damit muss man umgehen können, als starke, demokratische Gemeinschaft /Gesellschaft, als Mensch.

In my home town there already is a club with not just one, but two 10th dan-holders !
Ups, doch nicht Kodokan oder IJF-Graduierungen sondern "Wald und Wiesen-Organisationen" (so wie bei uns das DDK oder andere Knalltüten e.V.) ;)
In any case, the number of people politely refusing such ridiculous promotions because they are too modest and realize they do not remotely possess the level of knowledge or merit to accept judo's top rank, remains remarkably limited.

So, the events of observed and criticized in smaller in smaller, non-IJF federations, by no means are exclusive of these federations. We see the same within IJF member federations. The main difference is that the social community of IJF member federations is much larger, leading to a certain "social control" which regards itself as legitimate. Even though rumors tend to circulate widely there too, the political power and circulating monies within IJF federations is much higher, and people tend to shut their mouth more because many have something practically to gain (promotion, selection, election) from keeping their mouth shut.
Eigenartigerweise muss ich (im Kontext shut your mouth) jetzt gerade an 'Lance A.' denken, dem Radfahrer und Teamleader ...



Lieber 'CK',
vielen Dank für Deine Worte und Ausführungen.

Gruß,
HBt.

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Hatschi Sam(p)son

Beitrag von HBt. » 20.07.2018, 13:23

Hachi
Meister der Meister

oder wie überspringe ich den 7. Dan ...
http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/sport ... -1-3076660


1975: 1. Kyu & 1. Dan - erstes Jahr tägliches Training
1976: 2. Dan & 3. Dan - zweites Jahr tägliches Training

1987: 4. Dan - dreizehn Jahre tägliches Training, die Progression stagniert ... (tägliches Training?)
1992: 5. Dan - achtzehn Jahre tägliches Training ... immer +1

6. Dan 2005 durch den Verband
https://www.britishjudo.org.uk/ verliehen!

Die wichtigsten Graduierungen scheinen auf der lokalen Vereinsebene durchgeführt worden zu sein oder als Nachmittagspunkt auf einer lokalen Sommerschule.


Charismatisch scheint Sampson auf jedenfall zu sein und als Gründer stünde ihm ein legitimer und schlichter Schwarzgurt außerordentlich gut, vor allen Dingen, wenn er Ehrenauszeichnungen seines eigenen Verbandes grundsätzlich ablehnen würde - als Gründer ;-).

[Zum Vergleich: 1. 1955, 2. '58, 3. '60, 4. '67, 5. '71, 6. '75, 7. 1984 u.s.w. das wären jetzt einmal die Stationen von Frank Thiele, heute 9. Dan-DDK & 7. Dan-DJB, so wie das in Deutschland einmal üblich war.]

Sein YT-Channel Sampson Judo:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUgIqp ... amw/videos





Bitte nicht alles nachmachen was Herr Sampson hier zeigt, bitte nicht.

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IBF: Boah, ...

Beitrag von HBt. » 20.07.2018, 13:52

was ist das?
http://www.ibf-deutschland.de/funktion.htm 7. Dan Judo plus 8. Dan JuJu, halt! Jiu Ji natürlich.


Ach' das scheint ja alles ganz normal zu sein.


Gruß,
Wonko "der Verständige"
;)

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Re: IBF: Boah, ...

Beitrag von Cichorei Kano » 30.07.2018, 06:48

HBt. hat geschrieben:
20.07.2018, 13:52
was ist das?
http://www.ibf-deutschland.de/funktion.htm 7. Dan Judo plus 8. Dan JuJu, halt! Jiu Ji natürlich.


Ach' das scheint ja alles ganz normal zu sein.


Gruß,
Wonko "der Verständige"
;)
IBF is a mult-budo organizations, and I remeber that about 20-25 years ago they had quite a number of Breitensport actvities where they brought practitioners from many countries together, without the typical high-costs and money that you saw in IJF events. It was especially active in Germany, the Netherlands and the UK, and they were very instrumental in marketing Russian sambo as an atlernative to judo at a time that strong Soviet athletes, such as Novikov or Chochosvili who had a sambo past became famous judo champions. I remember having been invited to teach judo refereeing courses to them a long time ago, when judo was still judo. I did not encounter a wild grow of judo dan-ranks in those days, as most people I met were between 1st and 3rd dan. It seems to have been a different story in the among the karateka and taekwondoka.

As IJF judo under Vizer evolved towards an even more commercial entertainment sports with almost weekly events, just as we see in football, the judo component started disappearing more and more from IBF actvities, while Sambo started declining at a time that BJJ gained an interest. For the moment, it seems to me that IBF mainly groups a number of karate-styles and taekwondo, both fighting sports that are known to be highly fragmented in terms of organizations and federations.

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wöchentliche Veranstaltungen ...

Beitrag von HBt. » 30.07.2018, 10:01

As IJF judo under Vizer evolved towards an even more commercial entertainment sports with almost weekly events, just as we see in football, the judo component started disappearing more and more from IBF actvities, while Sambo started declining at a time that BJJ gained an interest. For the moment, it seems to me that IBF mainly groups a number of karate-styles and taekwondo, both fighting sports that are known to be highly fragmented in terms of organizations and federations.
die man vermarkten kann & vermarktet ---> also ordentlich Geld in die Kasse spült. Das Konzept funktioniert, es gibt Gewinner und Verlierer, leider handelt es sich hierbei nicht um das berühmte Spiel Monopoly.

Monopoly halte ich für pädagogisch sehr wertvoll, ein lehrreiches Spiel. Am Ende ist alles kaputt und alle sind tod, für den letzten Überlebenden lohnt es sich nicht seine Allmacht in die bis dato
gültige Spielwährung umzurechnen /zusammenzuzählen ---> er hat leider doch nicht gewonnen.





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Danke vielmals
'CK'.

Gruß,
HBt.

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