Treffen Kano u. Hitler

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Treffen Kano u. Hitler

Beitrag von uchimata »

Hallo zusammen,

als Kano in Berlin bei den Olympischen Spielen war, gab es da eigentlich ein Treffen mit A. Hitler? Die Judo-Geschichtsbücher geben davon nichts preis.

Ist jemanden von einem Treffen bekannt ? Hat einer Infos darüber?

LG

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Re: Treffen Kano u. Hitler

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Hallo Uchimata,

ein Treffen der beiden fand erstmals 1933 statt. Ob Kanō Hitler 1936 auch getroffen hat ist durchaus möglich.

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Re: Treffen Kano u. Hitler

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Wie kam es zu diesem Treffen? War Kano 1933 Mitglied des japanischen NOK? Und war er 1936 Mitglied der japanischen Olympia-Delegation?
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Re: Treffen Kano u. Hitler

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Auf dem berühmten Bild von Jesse Owens Weitsprung-Siegerehrung ist Kano neben dem Siegertreppchen zu sehen. Also war er da.

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Re: Treffen Kano u. Hitler

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Dieses Thema wurde schon etwas länger im englischsprachigen Judoforum behandelt
http://judo.forumsmotion.com/t1291-meet ... r-and-kano

Hier gibts auch einen Beitrag von tutor! welcher ein Treffen 1933 erwähnt.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4180&p=46010&hilit=hitler#p46010
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Re: Treffen Kano u. Hitler

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I guess that the real meaning of the question is not so much whether Kanô and Hitler "met", but what the extent of the meeting was and what exactly was said and transpired, and whether that meeting or those meetings can be considered as more than an accidental or planned appearance in each others proximity ?

To this date, there is no knowledge in the public domain that can satisfactorily answer those questions. This is also no surprise if one understand the situation. Much of what the general jûdô public knows about jûdô and Kanô is the result of historic reinvention, that is a mixture of truth, half truths, and right-out lies. To this date there exists not a single critical biography of Kanô. Most information that circulates is based on popular fantasistic writings written by ordinary authors who copies from each other. Even when one is a professional researcher, there are considerable problems in accessing knowledge. They typically choose a more serious approach but all the firsthand literature of that time is in Japanese and not held by Western libraries. They do not know what exactly to look for hence, they do the obvious, that is to approach the Kôdôkan for guidance. By making that step they also make one of the major errors that is responsible for the transmission of information. The Kôdôkan is not a research institution, but a propagandistic entity, just like the Vatican is not an objective institution about Catholicism. They are committed to distributing a positive image of their viewpoints, they market the product they favor. To use more direct terminology, much of their information that is officially releases is censored, if not outright changed or misrepresented, then it is still heavily colored by decades of misinformation. For example, you can't find a book or publication (by means of speaking) published or edited by the Kôdôkan that mentions or depicts Uchida Ryôhei, a known ultra-right Japanese nationalist, who at one point in time nevertheless was a close associate of Kanô. You will see that similarly everyone else who later was known to have fascist sympathies and who was close to Kanô, has mysteriously disappeared. Since most Westerners are not familiar with the names of those people (where would they have learnt about them) they also do not or cannot ask about it.

Another example ... it is well-known that Kanô in his views was inspired by a number of Western philosophers and educationalists (Dewey, Mill, etc.). However, Kanô was also inspired by a number of outspoken Western socialists, which is not well known at all and not mentioned in any official Kôdôkan publication, likely because socialism was considered highly suspect among the middle-class and upper-class, and considered as just an inch away from communism, which was considered as being outright evil. In that sense, one of Kanô's sons was arrested for communism and ended up in jail, and eventually smuggled out of Japan and to the United States. You see, this is just another example of relevant information which would be present in a critical biography or serious historical study. The long established way of writing about Kanô in the same way the Vatican or church writes about Catholic saints is neither helpful, nor credible, and reduces the chance of properly understanding a person and his views to nothing but a fantasy that separates believers from nonbelievers.

However, these questions are still relatively easy to answer and the information, at least for a researcher, is still relatively easy to find. All you need to do is find some publications of a certain age, let's say before World War II, and one will find an abundance of pictures and texts that shows the truth.

It is my judgment that in the case of someone as important and contoversial on a worldwide scale as Hitler, that the efforts the Kôdôkan and Japan would have made to ensure that any such information and evidence was carefully removed, would have even far exceeded the efforts they have made to censor other information. For some of you, who are a bit more motivated than the average jûdôka, you can still relatively easily find back German newspapers from the 1930s to find published information on any such eventual meeting that you won't find back in most jûdô books. However, I emphasize that this still is limited to "published information". It is likely that if anything of significance did take place between Hitler and Kanô, it likely won't be contained in published sources. Researching this poses significant difficulties as you need to search for things that you have not yet identified or know what they are or if they exist.

One logical question and starting point would be Kanô's own diaires. What did Kanô himself write about these meetings ? It is clear that this would be an important piece of information. There used to be a time that some of these could be consulted in the Kôdôkan library, but that is a long time ago. They have been removed on order of Kanô Yukimitsu and are not accessible not even for serious researchers and professors. This in itself raises considerable questions and suspicion. There used to be a time that the Japanese and the Kôdôkan knew or assumed that Westerners did not speak or read Japanese, and knew far to little about jûdô to be a threat to the historic reinvention that underpinned jûdô as it was sold to the world. This time is long past and the Kôdôkan is well aware of the potential "damage" non-Japanese researchers could do to the commercial and factual interests of the Kôdôkan if certain facts came out, or were proven.

It is obvious that if the Kôdôkan were really interested in education and historic accuracy that they would made those diaires available at least on microfiche. In fact, with today's technology they could be easily digitized and made available in facsimile as *.pdf-documents. In fact, there is no serious reason not to, unless the intent to mislead and conceal has great priority than to bring the jûdô public and lifelong practitioners of jûdô closer to the person who created the discipline to which they committed their lives and careers.

In the days when those diairies were still accessible there were no digital camera's available yet, hence I suspect that no person has any complete copies of those diaries, and importat lack which contributes to the difficulties to solving problems such as the one raised by the current poster's question.

The few pictures of Kanô meeting Hitler are always the same. This in itself is very remarkable. You would expect from such occasion to find a variety of pictures in different publications. The fact that those pictures are always the same over and over, suggests that there were released in a controlled way by one or another entity or person. It is highly unlikely that no other pictures were taken. Yet, for some 80 years the Japanese (and others, included German authorities of that time) have succeeded in not publicly releasing any other pictures. It is likely that if such media exist that they are part of private archives held by people who have no link with jûdô and for whom Kanô is either unimportant or not even recognized. There is still a chance that one day such documents or media may come to light, provided they exist. However, until that happens, I stick with the view that it is not possible based on today's knowledge of fact to satisfactorily or conclusively answer your question.
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